The Six Elements - Alchemical Symbols Project

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: more Flinterforge lore you say :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

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Oooooh, this is cool and I have a lot of thoughts.

First: :joy: OMG, I support evil headcannon Frank!

Wanted to throw in my two cents on “Creation,” because I liked it as-is, but I think that’s because I interpreted it as a process, not a product, so I can see how people might take that differently. But “creation” to me seems to show the whole process, and it has just a bit more gravitas for me than “creativity,” which feels a bit long and…pointy, as a word? This is probably because I have a weird grudge against short-i syllables but anyway.

The one that I have the most trouble instantly clicking into place in my mind is Aether; it seems to connect easily to the Guild but not the Element, in my mind? It’s also not clear to me how we define Aether, but if it’s the medieval concept of “upper air/substance which permeates all space and therefore connects all things,” I’m having a hard time placing that substance as the ruler of the house of humanity specifically. Maybe someone Gossier than I am can weigh in here?

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For me personally, creativity is the potential to create something/ the start of the process/ the original ideas, while creation is (like @Viviane said) the complete process, which includes the initial idea stage (so the creativity), but also the process of creating something, up to the actual result, the creation itself. So I guess to me creation seems more inclusive than just creativity. You can have all the ideas/potential (the creativity) and still never act on it, and so never create something, so I feel like creation suits Ore better.

I also wanted to mention I absolutely love the combination of thought - reflection and light - exploration

I also really love the zodiac sign idea.

This would also work for the Chinese zodiac, since it also has 12 signs.

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I swear I’m not just saying this because I’m a Libra but wouldn’t that make Libra House of Humanities? Or House of Purpose?

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I have always held aether with that association as well, I think its why clouds and aether are so connected in a lot of stuff we have seen? However, I also have seen it as the aether that drifts between people and things. The Basque have this idea of Adur, a force that balances all things and their natures, I feel as though they are kind of similar. However, I love the aesthetic of a Gossmere reaching to the sky and calling down the purest blue to aid in their spell work :heart_eyes:

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House of Humanity resonates with me, but really because of my personal feelings about what the guild means. I think House of Communion, House of Community, or House of Care/Caring would also fit really well with this concept. My personal concept, however, ignores what I view as the decorative aspect of the guild, the adventitia to the core concept: the individualistic expressionism (“Hufflepuff at Burning Man”) - which I do recognize is important to the CREATOR of these concepts, as well as other members of my guild.

Also, @Viviane, I agree that purely based on sound, “Creation” sounds better than “Creativity”. When I first read this post, I thought about mentioning “House of Ideas” for Thornmouth, but I actually that would be a better fit for Flinterforge!

EDIT: I also like the connotation of “Creation” as in the entirety of the material world, (e.g. “God’s Creation,” “what in Creation?!?”) meaning the balance of raw materials and finished products and everything in between.

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YES. I’m totally with you on that last bit. I also really like “House of Communion” fwiw, but will of course defer to the opinions of the actual Goss, and the jolly Ginger God-Pharaoh. :wink:

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I actually really like House of Ideas! I also like the idea of House of Possibilities? Because ore, raw materials, have infinite possibilities. They’re objects to be molded.

Gotta jet to class but I’ll be back with more pondering on options.

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Wait. House of Inspiration.

That solves my qualms about too much focus on the physical aspect/output and not about why we create, and no “sound” issues!

Edit:
Other options: House of Illumination, House of the Muse, House of Vision.

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Oooh, that’s an interesting option. Weighing the implications of “Ideas” versus “Inspiration” as something internally produced versus something that comes to you from outside.

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well, inspiration could be something internal as well, or even connected to our Eureka moments.

Tides as purpose. works.

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I could also see Thought as the House of Searching or the House of Seeking/ House of Questioning/ Asking. Some of those words might be a little too WW though.

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The guilds do over lap though

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Yeah, absolutely. I think that’s kind of the cool thing about these houses - together they’re supposed to represent the whole of the magimystic consciousness. I don’t think any of the Guilds can be totally without any of the houses, just like I think some little bit of each Guild is in every magimystic. But I’m also a big fan of the Renaissance, golden thread, “everything is interconnected” philosophy, so maybe I’m reading that into it a bit.

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I think “Questioning” versus “Reflection” is another really interesting term choice for Thought. The word “question” is actually of Latin origin, from quaerere - “to ask” or “to seek,” but it’s developed a more intellectual context. The word “reflect” is also from Latin, but its root reflectere literally means “to bend back.” So it’s almost like one of them has a continuing outward motion, where the other has a returning motion?

This is sort of where I got my interpretation of “inspiration” versus “creation,” as well. Creare has more of a sense of making or producing something, where inspirare literally means “to breathe into,” which implies something entering from without.
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I think “Reflection,” when looking at your etymology, actually works really well for an introverted/Moon guild.

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No, keep going Viv! This is really fascinating stuff. :deirdreexcited:

Your comment about inspiration meaning ‘to breath into’ is interesting to me. It makes me link ‘breath of creation’ to it!

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pushes linguist hat back into Viv’s hands, sits down, opens notebook

This is very cool, and I’m super digging the linguist insight :eyes:

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Haha, okay then. Umm, we were bandying about different options for Aether’s House; “humanity” comes from the pretty straightforward Latin adjective humanus, of or relating to human beings. The terms “communion” and “community” both come from the adjective communis, describing things that are universal or held in common. There’s a further suggestion that communis is itself a compound of cum+munire, “to defend with” or “build with” someone, although I think that derivation might be less definitive.

“Exploration” for Light is another Latin compound. Ex+plorare literally meant “to cry out,” and the suggestion is that it developed the connotation of searching because it was used as a hunting term, to describe the process of scouting an area for game by shouting. An alternative explanation is a combination of ex+pluere “to flow out,” and these both feel like the most Weatherwatch thing ever.

“Purpose” is a little more complex, but can be traced back through the French porposer, “to put forth,” which itself traces back to the Latin prefix pro- and a cognate/loan noun from the Greek pauein, “to stop or cease,” which is also where we get “pause” from, so it implies the putting forward of a resting place, establishing a goal or an end to something.

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I put this up on the discord aaages ago so finally moving it over to here but was thinking about the early Weatherwatcher explorers and then got to thinking about our realms explorers and their treatment of the indigenous folk so I cam up with
The Shadow Houses
House of Conquest

House of Cruelty

House of Destruction

House of Apathy

House of Impulsivness

House of Stagnation

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I think of the aether sort of like air. In that it is not visible, but omnipresent. Where I think it differs from air is that it is the invisible threads that connect all life

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